The GM for the "Quiz and Seek" is wrong and rigged

[Tihealy]

http://onigiri.cyberstep.com/info/topic/news/1646

The GM "misatyan" said that i had one question wrong

So let's review the 1st question shall we?

1. Which is the first boss you have fought in the game?
A Tiamat 　　 B Kyokotsu 　　 C Kanibozu 　　D Chief Daruma

Alright, there is 3 possible answers to this question.

Yes, 3 .. depend of how you see the game

To me, a boss is the "Master" of the dungeon. Tutorial doesn't count since it's explain you how to play the game,and how it's work, so ???(Tiamat Skin) should NOT count.

So after you arrive in Onigashima, you get a story Quest about going to Onigashima Training Ground, and who is at the end of the dungeon? Kyokotsu!

But for some people, a boss is not always at the end of a dungeon. So let's look at the "Boss Tower" in Kyoto. We got Beezlebub, Chief Daruma, Ahriman(i hate you), Tiamat and The "Licky Pervert Ghost". Also, "Boss" should be a tough opponent(explained a bit later in this wall text)

Si if we follow that chain, since Kyokotsu isn't from the "Boss Tower" the next one that you would fight in the Story Quest line, that is in the list, is Chief Daruma.

So it's either Kyokotsu or Chief Daruma. I refuse to believe that the answer is Tiamat because of "???". Even if he use the Tiamat Skin, it's doesn't say the name of the "Mysterious" creature. And the game seem to use sometime reskin of monster. So Tiamat is out of Question

However... if someone told me they choose Tiamat due because he is the FIRST Kamikui in the game(Sakurajima Depths), i would agree on this point, considering that he is the FIRST tough opponent that i met in the game(when i started).

Again, depending on how you see the term "Boss", every way that i describe could fit in the question. Hence, why i say this first question is "rigged" and the GM "Misatyan" should took a moment to think about this, instead of looking at the "Answer" Sheet.

[Firon]

I would LOVE to hear someone where i got it wrong and to prove me otherwise

-.-"

1. Which is the first boss you have fought in the game?
A Tiamat 　　 B Kyokotsu 　　 C Kanibozu 　　D Chief Daruma

A boss is normally at the end of a dungeon...

It can't be Tiamat since the name was ???(AND TUTORIAL DOESN'T COUNT since it's not a real boss), Kanibozu need the player to go outside of Onigashima, Chief Daruma required to unlock the dungeon Kishinden

The answer is B Kyokotsu. Why? Because one side quest tell you to go to the Onigashima Training Ground

But .... IF SOMEONE go by Story Line Quest only, the other possible answer is Chief Daruma

I don't really see why it wouldn't count just because it was in the tutorial. You do eventually find out the name. Well, I would just assume it's not a trick question :/


All the answers got posted on the forums faster than I expected 0.0, 5 days left

[Tihealy]

Alright, i edited the first post, with a better statement and neutral-ness, instead of going with my choice.

Again, these answers to this question are all good beside one.

[Matirion]

Boss = at the enf of the dungeon. ??? doesn't count since the name is hidden(In the tutorial, and you are not supposed to 1-2 shot a boss at lvl1,but they changed that since in the update), so hence Kyokotsu is the real answer

So why exactly would it not count just because the name is hidden? Just a bit later in the quest line you are told the boss you fought in the tutorial was Tiamat. There's no reason it wouldn't count, you fought that boss before any other boss. It's not like it's hard to know it's name if you can answer all the other questions. It's painfully obvious you're only mad because you made a stupid mistake and are trying to make yourself right...

But for some people, a boss is not always at the end of a dungeon. So let's look at the "Boss Tower" in Kyoto. We got Beezlebub, Chief Daruma, Ahriman(i hate you), Tiamat and The "Licky Pervert Ghost". Also, "Boss" should be a tough opponent(explained a bit later in this wall text)

Even then you know fully well that the question isn't about Yakumo Temple (it's not called the "Boss Tower") but about the game in general, that answer is invalid per definition. And bosses don't have to be tough and nothing is tough until Odin (which is only tough on lower levels). Even Odin is easy to beat if you use a speed boost of any kind... After Odin, the next "tough" boss is in Kaga.

I honestly had more issues killing the ??? Tiamat at the beginning (it's the tutorial, people don't know the controls yet) than anything else until Odin... And thats while I soloed everything on hell. Tiamat can be beaten while standing still. Ahriman is a joke, just run around clockwise at a distance of 8 - 11 and attack after he finishes his attack(s). Beelzebub... Just run around the area until its close to you, hit it a few times and repeat. Obviously you can't call any of those kamikui bosses either by your own definition.

[Tihealy]

Boss = at the enf of the dungeon. ??? doesn't count since the name is hidden(In the tutorial, and you are not supposed to 1-2 shot a boss at lvl1,but they changed that since in the update), so hence Kyokotsu is the real answer

So why exactly would it not count just because the name is hidden? Just a bit later in the quest line you are told the boss you fought in the tutorial was Tiamat. There's no reason it wouldn't count, you fought that boss before any other boss. It's not like it's hard to know it's name if you can answer all the other questions. It's painfully obvious you're only mad because you made a stupid mistake and are trying to make yourself right...

A boss need to be tough, not to be one shotted, if you killed "Tiamat" in the tutorial, you shouldn't be able to kill him afterward, or either the game should say: The creature's name that you defeated is, or was Tiamat.

It doesn't make sense to me, unless that Tiamat can be "breed", but beside that, it's shouldn' count since it's a TUTORIAL ...

"It's painfulyl obvious you're only mad, because you made a stupid mistake and are trying to make yourself right" Hum ... no

The logic was explained in the first message(that i edited not long time ago) all the reason that could possibly lead to the Tiamat answer, is there.

If you going to be a jerk through the internet, for not respecting someone decision(when he provided good reasons why the answers was wrong). Then go away.

[Matirion]

A boss need to be tough, not to be one shotted, if you killed "Tiamat" in the tutorial, you shouldn't be able to kill him afterward, or either the game should say: The creature's name that you defeated is, or was Tiamat.

It doesn't make sense to me, unless that Tiamat can be "breed", but beside that, it's shouldn' count since it's a TUTORIAL ...

"It's painfulyl obvious you're only mad, because you made a stupid mistake and are trying to make yourself right" Hum ... no

The logic was explained in the first message(that i edited not long time ago) all the reason that could possibly lead to the Tiamat answer, is there.

If you going to be a jerk through the internet, for not respecting someone decision(when he provided good reasons). Then go away.

1. It DID say the ??? boss' name was Tiamat a bit later into the story.
2. It fled, it wasn't killed so you CAN encounter it later.
3. You are wrong, tough luck.
4. You haven't supplied ANY reason for why Tiamat would be wrong other than "I refuse to believe it" and "it's the tutorial so it doesn't count". Those are not exactly "good reasons". The tutorial IS part of the game.

If you didn't know point 1 and 2, don't skip the story dialog next time. I remain with what I said, you're making it painfully obvious.
Unless you want to say that storyline facts coming directly from the game are invalid because your opinion is different?

[Tihealy]

Even then you know fully well that the question isn't about Yakumo Temple (it's not called the "Boss Tower") but about the game in general, that answer is invalid per definition. And bosses don't have to be tough and nothing is tough until Odin (which is only tough on lower levels). Even Odin is easy to beat if you use a speed boost of any kind... After Odin, the next "tough" boss is in Kaga.

That was jsut an example, but i said "Boss Tower" because all Kamikui up to Kyoto(not counting Odin) was in the tower.

I honestly had more issues killing the ??? Tiamat at the beginning (it's the tutorial, people don't know the controls yet) than anything else until Odin... And thats while I soloed everything on hell. Tiamat can be beaten while standing still. Ahriman is a joke, just run around clockwise at a distance of 8 - 11 and attack after he finishes his attack(s). Beelzebub... Just run around the area until its close to you, hit it a few times and repeat.

I have NO ISSUE at all in the tutorial, in the CBT and Live version. The controls was clearly shown in the UI, and explained mostly everything!!! After that, you had to fight a Monster.

Just to make it worse, my very first characther on CBT was a pure mind support. Obviously, it took time to kill, and i learned other things that wasn't even show in the tutorial; Double Tap(W,A,S,D) to roll towards the direction you press.

The one that i had a hard time, was Tiamat. Because ... Support doesn't do a lot of damage, unless you have 3-4 Staff with Holy Light. Afterwards, Ahriman was IMPOSSIBLE for me; and i really mean Impossible. Back in the CBT, even if i had MoonKing 1.0 ( Rip Original Moon King :'( ), even if i used the Double Tap Roll, Ahriman's Third Attack(Straight Lightning) ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS hit me no matter what. So i give up and made a Bower. Becasue it was the only class that had a video on youtube showing how to solo him(the bower was lvl13). So even if i took MoonKing and do the same thing in the video, the straight lightning (drums......) always hit me in the end.

Obviously you can't call any of those kamikui bosses either by your own definition.

So, Tiamat is not a boss then? so that leave Chief Daruma and Kyokotsu ( LE facepalm )

I tried to really think, OUTSIDE of my head, and think ALL POSSIBILITIES that could lead that GM words: Your first answer is wrong.

I had to actually go into an empty room, and do the same pose as this : and all the conclusion on the first post (after the edit) was the conclusion of everythint that i could think of. To let the immature child go away, and think of all possibilities like an adult.

EDIT:

Fine, seem you was right, i justt won't participate to the other one, or take a ban then.

[PoorBowman]

Nah.. its obviously Tiamat. I would've answered Tiamat.
Its the first boss we met, when we were saving shizuka.
Of course at that time its name was ???, but then again only those who have progressed and paid attention to the game would've known. Not to mentioned even if it was ???, u can easily got his name from the wiki.

Kyokotsu, Kanibozu, and Chief Daruma are out of the question, because all three of them can be met in different sequence depend on the player's journey. But Tiamat, you can't escape from meeting him first.

Its a trick question.

[Matirion]

That was jsut an example, but i said "Boss Tower" because all Kamikui up to Kyoto(not counting Odin) was in the tower.

It's completely irrelevant that all kamikui are there or that the place even exists, yet you tried to use it as an argument as to why chief daruma was the correct answer. How is it "just an example" if it's one of your main arguments (if not only) for one of the wrong answers?

Just to make it worse, my very first characther on CBT was a pure mind support. Obviously, it took time to kill, and i learned other things that wasn't even show in the tutorial; Double Tap(W,A,S,D) to roll towards the direction you press.

The one that i had a hard time, was Tiamat. Because ... Support doesn't do a lot of damage, unless you have 3-4 Staff with Holy Light. Afterwards, Ahriman was IMPOSSIBLE for me; and i really mean Impossible. Back in the CBT, even if i had MoonKing 1.0 ( Rip Original Moon King :'( ), even if i used the Double Tap Roll, Ahriman's Third Attack(Straight Lightning) ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS hit me no matter what. So i give up and made a Bower. Becasue it was the only class that had a video on youtube showing how to solo him(the bower was lvl13). So even if i took MoonKing and do the same thing in the video, the straight lightning (drums......) always hit me in the end.

Moonking was the reason you got killed, running on normal speed lets you evade everything at Ahriman... By running faster you run into some of his attacks. All you need to do to evade literally every single attack he fires at you is walk in a circle around him and not stopping until right after his attacks when you attack him. You being unable to find a proper strategy doesn't make the boss less of a joke.

Obviously you can't call any of those kamikui bosses either by your own definition.

So, Tiamat is not a boss then? so that leave Chief Daruma and Kyokotsu ( LE facepalm )

It was your own definition that bosses have to be tough, I tried showing you why it's flawed. Apparently you were unable to read it properly though, as it seems you think it was my opinion. That facepalm is fitting. First you state that bosses are supposed to be tough, then I show that all early kamikui are easy and thus not qualified as bosses by your own definition and finally YOU try to make the definition look bad? You literally try to laugh in your own face.

I had to actually go into an empty room, and do the same pose as this : and all the conclusion on the first post (after the edit) was the conclusion of everythint that i could think of. To let the immature child go away, and think of all possibilities like an adult.

The game itself repeatedly states the boss you fought at the beginning is the same one you're chasing and the same one you fight and kill in Sakurajima. You haven't managed to prove anything other than that you are wrong. Come up with an argument thats actually RELATED to why Tiamat would be wrong that doesn't come down to "I don't agree with it" and we can discuss that.
I'm now gonna be dropping this subject too.