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Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 02 Nov 2014, 10:53
by Sephiroth
Despite reading most of the guides, I'm still a bit confused as to what stat I should be putting points into after capping affinity to POW. (I'm not "fully" capped yet...I'm at 3k due to titles and magtamas. Should I "fully" cap the affinity using points before investing in another stat ?)

People keep telling me to dump points into mind for SP. I don't really have a problem regenerating SP. Then again, I also don't have an ouigi weapon yet, so I can't tell if that will be a problem once I do. Of course, there's also always the benefit of mind boosting support skills, but I don't want to invest in support if it's not what I need for Odachi use. I'll also be using swords because sometimes, Odachi just isn't fast enough.

I keep thinking Dex for crit and the oppourtunity to use a bow when I want, but I'm not certain if that would benefit my main weapon in the long run.

I mostly play solo because I prefer to do my story lines that way, unless I absolutely have to grind. I don't know if that tendency to solo play is going to have an effect on what I chose. I'm level 63 at the moment, can hold my own for the most part except for the lag that tends to kill me =_=

In any case, yes. Advice as to what my secondary stat should be is welcome.

Re: Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 02 Nov 2014, 12:06
by Annette
Dex is often considered one of if not the best secondary damage stat due to Crit and Cooldown Reduction offering a relatively huge DPS boost.

Mind wouldn't be bad to invest in either for the self-sustain and defensive bonuses. It's the second "tankiest" stat in most regards right behind Vitality and getting 90+ SP recovery ticks is a wonderful thing. There's also the obvious benefit of being able to use support skills, even if that's only going to be Rapid Storm/Meditation.

Wisdom is a little bit of both Dex and Mind. It provides Crit at half the rate Dex does and a ton of SP which will slightly increase the longevity of your pool, though it doesn't have the additional bonus recovery that Mind does. I'd detail the SP reduction on wand/staff skills but as a secondary stat the effect is mostly useless unless you're pumping a lot into Mind as well for higher level support skills.

Vitality is a little tricky. It'll increase your survivability by a considerable amount(especially if you've got some HP% Fateds) but aside from that it doesn't exactly do much for you. You really only need enough HP/defense to survive the worst case scenario(such as a Satan laser crit) and anything after that is padding for if you start making mistakes.

More Power is always an option, though this would mostly be planning for end-game or when you find something to replace your affinity magatamas. Still, the bonus attack speed is pretty nice. Much better than people give it credit for. Go drink some Asuka for an idea of what the benefit of 100 Power is(it's not exactly the same gain but it is definitely noticeable at higher thresholds.)

Re: Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 02 Nov 2014, 21:44
by AtmaMoogle
Annette wrote:Dex is often considered one of if not the best secondary damage stat due to Crit and Cooldown Reduction offering a relatively huge DPS boost.


This, After you get enough Pow to get 3k affinity I recommend dex for Crit Force along side with Crit Rate and CD. After you get a total of 100 or so dex, it increases your crit damage by a significant amount.

Re: Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 02 Nov 2014, 22:00
by Ryxa
Annette wrote:More Power is always an option, though this would mostly be planning for end-game or when you find something to replace your affinity magatamas. Still, the bonus attack speed is pretty nice. Much better than people give it credit for. Go drink some Asuka for an idea of what the benefit of 100 Power is(it's not exactly the same gain but it is definitely noticeable at higher thresholds.)


Asuka is waaaaaaaaay more than what 100 power will give. I don't have exact numbers but I'd say that Asuka is easily 4-5 times more than what 100 pow will give in terms of attack speed.

Re: Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 02 Nov 2014, 22:45
by Annette
Ryxa wrote:Asuka is waaaaaaaaay more than what 100 power will give. I don't have exact numbers but I'd say that Asuka is easily 4-5 times more than what 100 pow will give in terms of attack speed.

The attack speed gain from power applies in fractions per 10 points?

Edit - After a quick series of tests comparing attack speed benefits with a total of 14 Power(which I'm assuming only provides 1% attack speed):

No additional attack speed and no Asuka yielded 46 attacks over a period of 50 seconds with a Spear.
With Asuka this increased to 55 attacks, exactly as expected for a gain of 20%.
With three Shindara and a Shanchira, a total of 22 attack speed for spear, the total raised to 56 attacks. Again, expected from a 22% gain.
With both Asuka and the four magatamas equipped I reached 64.5 attacks... which is slightly off from the expected 65, but I'm going to assume this is due to the base 1% speed throwing things off a bit(or the effects of magatama and Asuka not stacking the way I think they do.)

I mentioned Asuka being comparable to 100 power due to recent claims by Freesia/Rhythm mentioning the non-linear scaling and the update that speed is increased every 10 points, not 30. Even if it's linear and only gives 1% each bonus that's still 10%, though I'm assuming it's closer to 15%(similar to Cooldown Reduction from Dex.) Am I wrong in thinking this?

Re: Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2014, 00:28
by Ryxa
Annette wrote:
Ryxa wrote:Asuka is waaaaaaaaay more than what 100 power will give. I don't have exact numbers but I'd say that Asuka is easily 4-5 times more than what 100 pow will give in terms of attack speed.

The attack speed gain from power applies in fractions per 10 points?

Edit - After a quick series of tests comparing attack speed benefits with a total of 14 Power(which I'm assuming only provides 1% attack speed):

No additional attack speed and no Asuka yielded 46 attacks over a period of 50 seconds with a Spear.
With Asuka this increased to 55 attacks, exactly as expected for a gain of 20%.
With three Shindara and a Shanchira, a total of 22 attack speed for spear, the total raised to 56 attacks. Again, expected from a 22% gain.
With both Asuka and the four magatamas equipped I reached 64.5 attacks... which is slightly off from the expected 65, but I'm going to assume this is due to the base 1% speed throwing things off a bit(or the effects of magatama and Asuka not stacking the way I think they do.)

I mentioned Asuka being comparable to 100 power due to recent claims by Freesia/Rhythm mentioning the non-linear scaling and the update that speed is increased every 10 points, not 30. Even if it's linear and only gives 1% each bonus that's still 10%, though I'm assuming it's closer to 15%(similar to Cooldown Reduction from Dex.) Am I wrong in thinking this?


I just made a mistake. Forgot I had a full set of reckless + Asuka in Fool's Portion so my attack speed was inflated much more than it should have been.

Re: Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2014, 00:53
by Annette
That sounds silly and I want to try it.

Re: Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2014, 01:06
by SupremeTentacle
It's even more funny with 140 power.

I can swing an axe around faster than some players can swing swords around.

Re: Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2014, 04:14
by Argentum
is there even any kind of secondary (hidden) effect beyond 100 power?

Re: Best Secondary Stat For Odachi User?

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2014, 09:53
by SupremeTentacle
Not really, but attack speed works the same way as critical rate.

That is, even after 100 of the stat, every X amount will still grant you a bonus to the stat.