tired of the "myth" and 0 durability "break items"

[Hercules]

I tested it with Rusty Bloom sake just recently, I still keep getting miss and never once hit and it doesn't seems prevent weapon durability to reduce too.
-200 durability each Collapsing Blade + 1x Burai Magatama with and without the sake.

While I do a test with Rusty Bloom sake, I also do a test hitting enemies with 0 durability weapon at Abou Forest (Lv 5 dungeon).
For about 15 minutes swinging my broken spear, Charge Spike, Taunt & Collapsing Blade not even once it landed a hit.
I'm rather confused how in your video, you can keep hitting with 0 durability while your 67 durability keep missed.

This included for my Sanctuary II (I have 51 MND). After the staff reach 0 durability, my Sanctuary II always missed.

Rusty Bloom isn't working as of now. (It's bugged) I learned this the hard way while I was in Secluded Forest.
This has also been confirmed already on the Question & Answer Thread.

[Rufei]

You said you use Repair fairy all the time Converting Fail into successes should be put into place. Let read what it CLEARLY say on the Repair fairy.




So let see...... if you have a Bad repair, it turns into Great Repairs, increasing the Max durability. and You said ...

I always use Repair Fairies on every single one of my spears (that is kept in any fashion).

Always mean you would never see a Fail repair even if you used repair fairy all the time. So You just prove you Don't have fact straight and you don't always have repair fairy as you claimed.

tl;dr - No.

Otonashi -That may be good an all it still doesn't change the fact of him losing max durability , so the amount of great should still make his weapon much higher regardless - and in the end none of his stuff provided any Evidence to the main case and original post this was made for.

If you ever actually used repair fairies, you'd know that the description isn't correct. Yet, you treated that knowledge as if it was completely factual. The extent to which you are so desperate to disprove me is alarming and your willingness to go with shaky information and poor estimates whilst ignoring the rest is just silly. (Oh and by the way, the most I've seen a weapon at is 1800 dura, which was being sold by one of the hardest grinders on the server. How do I know? Their level is freaking high for the norm!)

They have not lost any durability Also. and I feel a bit insulted with how you don't read anything I say. You are honestly starting to just be a troll with all talk and no action, you have no proof only claim you have had it happen , yet can't take the time to have spare weapon to prove ? It shouldn't be as hard to lower durability considering you can carry 5 man's right? So what really your leverage of giving me anything other the factor it has possibility cause you claim it happen? So all I can do it put it as much odd I can put in it? so then it say "yes a weapon break" just to make you happy - when I have been Doing this for now almost 3-4 days sense the Original post, and All you been is talking down at me, showing nothing and claim I am wrong when You don't give anything to prove it wrong.

Frankly, it's because I'm busy figuring out other things, like tracking magatama drops and trying to make a Vit/Pow hybrid build actually work out. Did you know about this magatama, how it's a rare drop, and how it actually might let a Spear/Axe hybrid bridge the gap between single weapon max proficiency and dual weapon max proficiency?



I sure as hell didn't until I happened across it while grinding Secluded Hell. Yet, it's certainly something that would benefit people greatly and could shape how people build their characters (without having to use SP Resets). Build diversity is a wonderful thing and I would hate it if there is really just a "one true build" mentality in Onigiri. Unfortunately, since I haven't actually achieved rough parity with single weapon users on a hybrid path, my theory is still not proven - ergo I haven't posted a Vit/Pow guide. I call it social responsibility, you know, the whole not misleading people part until you've proven it must work?

And to note, this bit doesn't actually prove or disprove the existence of this behavior. It does, however, decrease the confidence of the theory that durability 0 just simply doesn't matter. The existence of an instance in which maximum durability goes down upon WEAPON BREAK! flashing on the screen does disprove your theory. Whether or not you'll accept my data point OR Lynneth's is up to you, but I'll let others be the judge on this.

And finally, I have at no point discredited your work. You've done a great job providing data points. The part that I have issue with is your conclusion.

[Deathy]

Rufei , I kindly ask you Don't post anything that isn't apart the fact if weapon lose max durability when it hit Zero.

Also Lynneth's Never said she lost max Durability - I question her about it and she hasn't reply back sense I even sent her Mail message over the subject, and she still hasn't reply back.

I don't think She said what she wanted to in proper manner.

The Weapon will flash when it get low, they just small visual to say it about to run out of durability.But it doesn't seem to be any real Risk with over 3,000 runs now. Heck even Rhythm reach zero and their weapon kept it durability also when they were doing the Hell Mode challenge.

I Don't see how I am rejecting your info when I clearly ask for this event that so simple to press F12 before and after. And if you claim as much as you have, grinding so hard, there be no problem in finding Evidence to prove me wrong - I had done live stream with new character, getting them to Koyto and always showing their durability (which is pretty simple to hold "F" honestly to picture durability before it break , and then screenshot again After the fight. So you should basically have no problem as you do have moment to screenshot before and After no problem.

Until you have some sort Evidence to back up that you do lose max durability , video and before and after picture (Which is very easy). You aren't contributing to this post at all and just posting spam by the end of everything, and nothing to show any thing you say as Fact.

I don't care how you look at it , but you are nothing but an Snob acting like you know every fine detail about a game, you clearly don't as the amount of runs I done, the stream , and everything I been doing is pure luck? No it not pure luck it all apart the game System and number.

So Again Don't post in this forum thread until you have something to Validate any proof cause you are nothing but spam on this page posting nothing done in the contribution of proof such a thing truly happen, and I done more freaking time then You have so Where your right to say anything when I am the one risking my weapon then? You are only an scare person believing what you want to believe and not take the time to do thing yourself, cause You don't contribute to the community, only what you want to think is for the community.

You aren't helping the thread and honestly any amount brain cell that would be smart enough would know if you can kill 2 bird one stone, then Do it - Go grind til your weapon hit zero, get before and after, and if There is truly any Durabiltiy chance post it, But until then you are nothing but an troll on this thread that isn't helping at all.


You have been reported for posting something off topic , and Don't post again without something to show Evidence cause you do nothing but talk trash without really helping. and all your post are nothing but spam by this point.

[Rufei]

I don't care how you look at it , but you are nothing but an Snob acting like you know every fine detail about a game, you clearly don't as the amount of runs I done, the stream , and everything I been doing is pure luck? No it not pure luck it all apart the game System and number.

You're still misrepresenting my point. Let me make it clear:

Your data is not in question. Your conclusion is, because it is logically unsound, even with a very large amount of data points. And more telling, the moment I had mentioned my observation you defaulted to "this mustn't be the case, clearly you must have made a mistake." In short, you are taking your hypothesis and are desperately trying to prove it true with evidence. You've already assumed it must be correct. There is no scientific process happening here if you don't open yourself up to the possibility that yes, your hypothesis might in fact be wrong (and yet potentially partially/mostly correct)!

I Don't see how I am rejecting your info when I clearly ask for this event that so simple to press F12 before and after.

Clearly, you haven't been on the frontlines. You see, I have other priorities imposed upon me when I'm the party tank. When fighting Benkei, I have to make sure that he throws the shock orbs not at my teammates. I also need to get into position to attack him. And even after I go "OH SHIT" after seeing the weapon break and observe that it's sunk below the 1100 margin, I don't have the time to press F12 - I'm busy making a tight circle so that he'll do his melee attack instead of potentially destroying my teammates. Oh, and I have to do this as fast as possible, because everyone's counting on me to keep Benkei focused on me so that the DPS can do as much as they can and we can level up faster so as to reach our own personal goals (at the time, I was going for the first hime title on the server, and the other experienced guy in the party was a JP player who was blazing through the story as fast as he could manage).

The fact of the matter is, I've only had my weapons break twice, and in both situations I was not in the habit of taking a screenshot after every single goddamn repair. Do I care to create more data points? Hell no, not after how your flat out denial, especially since I lost durability from doing so. Am I going to play my optimal game with throwaway spears? Hell no, have you seen how demanding leeches are of their carries these days?

Hell, you haven't even held yourself up to these exact standards! Have you snapshotted every weapon break? How are we supposed to trust that you've been doing 3000+ runs? Except here's the rub - everyone, including me, has recognized your data points and have not called them into question. All I have been asking for is the same treatment, yet all you have done is gone straight for the trigger.

To reiterate my original point, there's only one way my spear shows 1050 max durability on the run back to Yoshitsune after I distinctly remember it going up to 1100+, especially after a heartwrenching moment where I realize I've gone to 0 durability on my weapon, and especially when I repair fairy every spear I care about at every repair opportunity (and am still sitting on 15 repair fairies).

You have been reported for posting something off topic , and Don't post again without something to show Evidence cause you do nothing but talk trash without really helping. and all your post are nothing but spam by this point.

Not only have you never put anyone else up to this level of muster, you're also being obnoxiously immature about this.

[Sunken Orange]

I tried breaking a normal weapon(Tachibana Bow) just for the hell of it.
Every attack missed from that point onward but it didn't lose durability.
I was expecting a fail repair from yoshitsune but luckily it didn't.
After repair, it's back to normal.

I'll make a screenshot later.

[Deathy]

I tried breaking a normal weapon(Tachibana Bow) just for the hell of it.
Every attack missed from that point onward but it didn't lose durability.
I was expecting a fail repair from yoshitsune but luckily it didn't.
After repair, it's back to normal.

I'll make a screenshot later.

As I said in a post supposedly having lower durability while repairing should fail , supposedly - not conform and just been collecting that data as extra amount of events.


Also to the troll - I treat you this way cause you done nothing to show me wrong. Also I been live streaming to prove even a low level character doesn't have it happen to him, and he uses Every singlebloody weapon (expect for staff and wands).


http://www.twitch.tv/deathygaming/b/550938643


http://www.twitch.tv/deathygaming/b/551366394


He has total of 31 broken weapon all right now , no max durability lost , every single one been in that stream looking at the result and after.


Also I been in the front line, and Staff use more durability then you think while farming Tap extract in Hell 5 man.

As I said before I rather not spam the forum with 500 weapon of before and after, cause then the pages will be so damn long and people will get tired of it. cause 500 weapon before and after (2) = 1000 picture, and posting 1000 picture would just be just so damn long so please do go on about your non-sense. You don't know anything about me and what I do, to even have the right to act like you do.

you're also being obnoxiously immature about this. Provide evidence , or stay out this forum thread, cause it show you don't have any real understand that I am still DOING this , meaning the conclusion isn't dealt with, which why I am still getting data , So go ahead mock me, trash talk me think I am stupid, but in truth it you being the Obnoxious person where when I been kind enough to make new account to prove the Yoshi level mean NOTHING, I been grinding new character to only delete them after a point, cause they aren't no longer needed - I have prove more then 1 account I'm more factual in my post then you have been on here.

So leave this thread until you have something to prove that happen to you, or maybe your just lying to look good still on forum , when I clearly have more guts then you to not give damn over someone stupid myth and be hated by someone who can't provide anything - While I do livestream, talk to people in game, do my own thing on my main account rather then grind for levels , which is Pointless after an an x amount of level why grind til max level when there be more places opening up , which will be better exp - so I rather do something that really is more time consuming and be helpful to new player and get Data unlike you, who complain being in grind group, and can't screenshot an before dungeon , and once the weapon hit 0 / break an after.


and You don't have time to push a single button? that honestly full of lies, cause there time before and after it - there not mobs every single step you take, even in SF, there isn't that many. and there is gap where you be runnin straight to collect all the mobs, and while ur at it ur just auto runnin with R, and hold F to change to the weapon u want - while ur at it then just straight ur finger to do an simple click - BAM done.


I done it countless time - the more you post on this thread, the more you show you don't have fact or read anything to the full point - you just assume reading, I do live stream, I don't post to be spammer to increase post count, I don't have anything to hide or be hated by someone like you, cause in the end of all facts - I have provide everything I so far impose on the matter of if going to 0 durability, do you lose max durability, and the fact even a level 1 Yoshi take into acc , and haven't repair with her once, is more and more just showin I use any weapon to test.

[mhel]

Weapon Damage!

[Deathy]

Weapon Damage!

um you kept 815 Max Durability ^^ - but thank you for posting the I will be gone most of the 28th/29th , due to medical reason , so If more people can do this type stuff feel free to.

[mhel]

Weapon Damage PART 2










no Dura lost

[Otonashi]

mhel, I'm pretty sure you're missing the point here. Deathy has already tried breaking weapons countless times and Rufei has already admitted as well that it's highly likely that his observation from before was a mistake. The only experimental outcomes that would contribute to this thread at all would be those that show that weapons do indeed occasionally lose durability upon reaching the "weapon damage" status and start missing.