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[Kaze'aze]

So~
I'm not allowed to sell good enchant weapon at low prices?
Sorry, but i suggest you discontinue this effort right now...
Putting a similar item but with prices to be compared is also one of basic market strategy to sell stuff quick.
It's like you trying to put some chain on majority of us now from tryin to earn OC quickly...

duuude no! dont put words in my mouth i never said you cant sell weapons at low prices. i said this earlier to fefe on the game. im not asking every player to follow this. its by choice. do what you want

[Kaze'aze]

fyi, if your going to buy something that says for example 200oc and you have a lower amount . you can always talk to the owner of the stall. you can either either
1) trade him something he wants in return for price reduction
OR
2) just ask. you wont die from asking

if the person is generous and doesnt give a fk sure. but myself i dont sell stuff to keep the oc . i sell them cause i use that oc to buy something stronger. just some advice.

[E-God]

you know what, creating a price list like this is absolutely weird
i know there are peoples sell their stuff overpriced but, yea we both know everyone is just not so dumb to buy it
the game has min price already and you are not a trade god
let it just flow like usual dude

[Tekato]

Nigguh trying to put a price on a buffet line wtf

[RGCKain]

Usually when some people start selling stuff, they sell at low prices to get the little of what they want to get.

Uh no, usually when people start selling stuff, they try to sell for highest reasonable price they can think off
Example:

And now for the second part:

At times it causes terrible competition, price depreciation , loss of value, selling for losses, rip off's, scams, and worst of all, it kills the market.

I would like to remind you the opening of Echigo; couple of days after the opening, people started finding out about Orange Marble becoming easy to get.
For about a week it was still same price, people could make some OC out of it(rip off? maybe but for short period of time), and of course the word was spreading so the price drop was inevitable.
But the price dropped by 50% within 2 days, instead of gradual price reduction within 1-2 weeks
I'll even remind you the cause - it was your doing.
You were the one to shout in every possible hole, that they are easy to get, and dropped the price from 100oc to 50oc, that's a huge drop for a short time.
You even had your justice line: "I just want things to be fair"
And now you post this BS, about how people drop prices and it causes competition and drop of value.. and my favorite "kills the market"
Then who the fuck are you in this story? batman!? you're the killer of market, that you, yourself find worse.

Offtopic; go fuck yourself!

On topic though, people won't bother with this shit, that's how the world works, retards like you kill it.
And it won't work caaaaause; the more people will start farming Satan for example the lower the price will be, since the rarity of the item on the market will decrease.
But for the moment, the most expensive items would be Satan, since not that many people farm it, the price will drop slightly and go back up again.
Easiest example to show you with a chart...


This are the basic principles of free market.. and whatever you're trying to do here, is applied by it self at all given times.
If you wish to monopolize, go ahead, buy all the items you think are too cheap, sell for your own price - simple as that.

But ye.. once again, go fuck yourself, and use your idea doing so.
GL

[Koba]

why do you seem so mad when you talk Kaze'aze :3 is it fun

[E-God]

this is not a guide, this is only your opinion about what the trading community should works in your way
are you trying to be a market game master? lol

[-x-SongNhi-x-]

LOL Kaze got so much flack for just posting a recommended price list for ingame stuff. Well if you guys disagree with the recommended price just edit it, dont know why being so harsh.

I think both sides of the arguments are valid, because if u have item u spent ages making and it costed alot, u wont wanna part it for pennies just because some other guy is desperate and selling his for quick OC even at a loss.

On the other hand none of us want to be buying high priced items as noobs in a game we're unfamiliar with. We've all been there, paid extortionate prices for items we could easily get later with a bit of knowledge.

[Kaze'aze]

LOL Kaze got so much flack for just posting a recommended price list for ingame stuff. Well if you guys disagree with the recommended price just edit it, dont know why being so harsh.

I think both sides of the arguments are valid, because if u have item u spent ages making and it costed alot, u wont wanna part it for pennies just because some other guy is desperate and selling his for quick OC even at a loss.

On the other hand none of us want to be buying high priced items as noobs in a game we're unfamiliar with. We've all been there, paid extortionate prices for items we could easily get later with a bit of knowledge.

JUST IGNORE THEM... THEY WILL STOP WHEN THEYRE TIRED

[RGCKain]

My saga against Kaze'aze and this thread continues... on this episode we will quote Kaze'aze answers to people and a story!

FYI Kaze, if you got offended from my last post's "insults", good that was the main point
I won't remove my "insults" from that post, till I am told to do so by the Admins/Moderators

UM, YOU DO REALIZE THATS ME, and i only said that at that time cause i was new to spear?

How is that an excuse? "I said <Everyone is selling for 11c> cause i'm new to spear" what? whats the connection between being new to spear and prices, not to forget - at that point you could just buy from <everyone> that sells for 11.

HERES AN EXAMPLE AND I FELT BAD FOR THE GUY CAUSE SOME1 MADE HIM ORNA and waste his magas saying "if you orna them ill buy"
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4919 he wasted 2 magas he could have made something out of.l if you call that fair, ill say shame on you

They could negotiate the deal, the fact that seller did not put any conditions - his own fault, simple as that

Just wanted say my opinion: THIS IS BIG BULLSH!T.
Creating a list of "prices" because afraid of price decrease while most ppl goona have those "SH!T" in tons and will sell it for MinimalPrice.
Unfortully explain me this. Why "Lv80gold ougi weapon g100+100" exacly have price like Yours Dragon Spears which you trying sell fkin overpriced?
Im really sorry but greed really control ppl which trying even made list of "Min prices" lol.
Useless topic because on any case everyone will sell for any price which wants. Otherwise if someone is "retarded" and trying sell overpriced stuff on simply thing nobody will take this from him.

Kaze'aze you are just hypocrite, give the majority a favor and do not give ideas based on your greed into Forum. Tyvm

stfu dont type on my posts if you have nothing good to contribute to with your stupid ass

So whoever doesn't agree with your idea, is a stupid ass, and should hold their opinion to them self... not sure that this is how publicity of idea works.. you suppose to accept any criticizing and adjust accordingly or respond with your own explanation of why things are like that.

Just wanted say my opinion: THIS IS BIG BULLSH!T.
Creating a list of "prices" because afraid of price decrease while most ppl goona have those "SH!T" in tons and will sell it for MinimalPrice.
Unfortully explain me this. Why "Lv80gold ougi weapon g100+100" exacly have price like Yours Dragon Spears which you trying sell fkin overpriced?
Im really sorry but greed really control ppl which trying even made list of "Min prices" lol.Useless topic because on any case everyone will sell for any price which wants. Otherwise if someone is "retarded" and trying sell overpriced stuff on simply thing nobody will take this from him.

Kaze'aze you are just hypocrite, give the majority a favor and do not give ideas based on your greed into Forum. Tyvm

i only gave you a piece of my mind, you have no respect for me so i have none for you wanna talk bout rage?, look in the mirror kiddo.
u cant just walk into a discussion and talk like u got piss in your mouth if you have nothing good to say walk away when you see my posts cause i will only make you look like a fool. period. walk away

You didn't give <Piece of your mind> what you did is complete denial of his words, and outraging on him giving any opinion whatsoever(fyi his post is a contribution, so you are just ignorant)

i will try to not read the long essays you guys have typed. makes my head swirl. now 1st of all the pricelist i put has "or best offer" at the end meaning it can be lower or exact. second i put a link down for those who want to edit the list but seems some dumbasses like louch are only concentrated on arguing in the forum to even see it. and finally if you wanna know how harmfulit is fefe, pay attention to the above comments ie. unnecesary arguements by louch. some stuff never sells cause if someone puts his 350oc worth weapon up for 150 oc just so he can sell his faster , it makes the value of whoever else' go down. yes maybe a little generousity but the least they can do it sell it privately, not put it next to a similar stall

1. What kind of excuse is that <i will try to not read the long essays you guys have typed. makes my head swirl>
Here's a simple method to make it easy on yourself that people with similar problem came up with
>Simply copy text(or just use quote button) and split it, and read part after part with short/long pauses
2."Dictating" prices is what you're doing here with your 'list'.
3. There are 4 types of shops - (Concert tickets as example, just like in real life.. yay..)
Low priced - Sale just started, but the person made mistake to buy them on the first place.
Normal priced - Official tickets, no need to rush.
High priced - First row tickets left, some were reserved for celebs, but they wont come so lets sell to commoners.
Over priced - No official tickets left, people thinking of selling their own tickets, just for profit, x20 of normal price GOGO
That's a normal phenomena, it always will be this way, and everyone gets their share and profit.

Now to the actual point of why I even bother with this topic or forum overall.
On previous post i pointed out that you by yourself did; Terrible competition, price depreciation , loss of value, and kill the market.

Today's story will be: Kaze'aze' ripping off and scaming
Little Kaze was running around Echigo with all the kids.
But some pretty lady on the market caught his eye,
He went to the lady, and talked to her.
Asking if he can do anything for her, and even gave his own suggestion
>I shall bring the Counterattack Staff.
and the lady replied with a smile
>Sure, whatever
And so little Kaze went to his mission 'to get as many staves as he could'
Some time passed, and Kaze returned to Echigo.
He searched for the pretty lady, but there was no sign of her.
So he left a shop filled with Counterattack Staves, and a sing - For Lady
At first he put them on minimum price, but the greed took over him, and he raised the price by 20-30%
The lady wont notice - he thought to him self
Later the pretty lady came to town, and found his show, and without any word bought his stock.
Kaze saw the potential income, and kept on going with his overpricing,
Thinking to him self
>non would bother to buy it nor sell it, no one will notice the price at which I'm selling.
And so his profit increased, and he never spoke a word.
But the pretty lady knew of that, and to her kind heart she kept on buying with same price.

THE END

Okay here I'll be honest, I have no idea if you had such deal; where you sell it to her on higher price or so
But knowing stuff here and there, from peoples conversations, I really doubt you had any deal with her.
And here you are, a scam and rip off, all by yourself

Whats my point?
You did exactly same things you don't want to see.

There always be 4 types of shops,
there always will be competition
there always will be scams,
there always will be a rip off,
there always will be loss of value,
there always will be an idiot to kill the market
and last but not least the prices will ALWAYS jump up and down,but in the end will drop to the bottom; losing any value whatsoever.

My suggestion: stop this nonsense and give it up, the market always work the same way, and some post on forums wont change the way this machine works, its been like so, and will be like it forever.

Unless you want to make "trading routes" with certain people, selling stuff on fixed prices between each other.
But that will fail too, as the outside market has a chance for much more appealing prices.

Will Kaze make it to part 3 of the saga?! depends on if Kaze have some of the gray stuff or not :3

GL