tired of the "myth" and 0 durability "break items"

[Deathy]

Although you have evidence and proof, none of it disproves Rufei's claims. No matter how many times you break a weapon there still exists a statistical chance that you haven't encountered the situation where breaking a weapon does in fact lower its durability.

On the other hand, what Rufei claims (possible loss of durability through breaking) must be true under the assumptions that he is telling the truth and has not failed a smelt on the weapon. While what he says cannot be proven due to the lack of evidence, you cannot absolutely disprove it due to a similar lack of evidence.

If I were to assume that weapons lose durability when breaking 1% of the time, you would need to show that your weapons did not lose any durability through breaking 300 times to be 95% sure that that assumption was false.

Therefore, unless you can either provide an infinite number of trials or show that the game's code does not allow durability loss upon weapons reaching 0 durability, there still exists a chance that weapons may lose durability upon breaking. Of course as the number of weapons you break approaches infinity, the chance that weapons can lose durability upon breaking decreases.

That being said 50 durability is pretty miniscule and won't make anyone take caution in allowing their weapons to reach 0 durability.

Actually that what I been doing if you must know, I carry 100 + staff on my MND user, and I been doing exactly that letting them drop to 0
in party, and solo and grinding, and waiting til they are all in need repair at 0 durability

At that point I been writite down all their durabilitys.and I am able to keep track by using the Recent order.

and making new character also help provide evidence of the Yoshi theory.


While I am not seeming like it, I am asking him to provide his proof , while I am still doing this non stop ( I keep mention this to see if I truly can break an weapon/lose durability).


I can getting info and finding out if this was pure luck , and ect, and if other were to do so also this will help see if mutli people have same results, and if they happen to do get it, they can post the before and after - or video ( recording) which what I been doing actually, recordin each weapon hitting 0, showing it durability before I hit 0 then as I hit zero.

Attackin with it to see if durability is lose while attacking as an other myth/theory was said.

I have yet to lose any, and I am still collecting data As I said , but as long as I am doing this, he can't say I am wrong , as I am still conduction it non stopon new account with less ability to be as lucky as my main acc with a high level Yoshi.

With this type data collecting from newb point view, and higher level really give more open data about if Yoshi would truly matter by her level in the RGN that superme mention.

I have taken account all that been said and still workin on this, working out any flaw info. I am currently on repair 722, and that include the low level with my main.


As long I am providing proof and Evidence of what I been doing, He has no right to say I am not using Logical form, when I have taken account all he said and supreme into the math part of it, and doing rense and repeat to validate the stuff I been doing, as long he provide no evidence of his break/ anyone The right of using the Logical isn't the right for them to say, as they aren't given an Rival that show an flaw, as I am doing this alone clearly, and no-1 has provide an form of evidence that there is lost of durability, and I don't wish to make video every day/ hour and second and ect when I do this, or take picture and post , as That would then be more seen as Spam.

Thus I limit the posting and as Long I can say I have yet to run in the problem , while doing it non stop, and already have giving them info and data , on what I am using. or even attempt to over ride my formula to prove it wrong, then in the Logical Data show I am in the positive side of the stick , while doing so, compare to the empty evidence given by his behalf/someone else who read this.

It not hard at all and as I mention if an Item was to use durability , / break it show in the chatbox, so it it did lost durability it would show there also. (in same fashion as repairing/smelting does)

[Hinagiku Katsura]

Deathly he won't listen to you because he's covering his ears and i think that person is a alpha tester.
And yes deathly why he won't try hitting it to zero durability -_- the player is a baby >_<

[Deathy]

Deathly he won't listen to you because he's covering his ears and i think that person is a alpha tester.
And yes deathly why he won't try hitting it to zero durability -_- the player is a baby >_<

I play'd Alpha and CBT also , that why I did this test to see if it was still here or not.

and so far, there is really no results, and my name is Deathy , not Deathly T.T

[Rufei]

Where is your Proof?

Deathly he won't listen to you because he's covering his ears and i think that person is a alpha tester.
And yes deathly why he won't try hitting it to zero durability -_- the player is a baby >_<

Are you kidding me? Let me guess, you're now going to call me a beater.

I never took the time to take a screenshot of my weapon breaks, largely because they occur in high stress situations where I'm desperately trying to pull aggro off of my squishy teammates or carrying for a bunch of newbies like I normally do. After spending the first day and a half blitzing to lv 38 to get the first hime title on the server, I decided it was time to take it easy and help out everyone who couldn't stick with my training. Had I decided to screw the community and care only for myself, I'd likely still be in the top 10 for exp (and even so most of those folk end up contributing back through wikis or helpful guides that tons of people appreciate and utilize).

Do you question everything they say? Do you need proof that Siennan's wonderful damage analysis isn't made up? Need Rhythm to attach screens to those grind spots of his? Pics or it didn't happen?

If you're really interested in contributing to the breadth of knowledge, you can be less of an ass and less dismissive of other people. At no point have I dismissed your evidence - it is quite likely that you don't lose durability at all. In fact, I've observed this myself and commented to others about how it had no consequences for me - it was only after my best spear was dunked 50 durability that I realized that there is a range of possibilities.

We don't know how far the rabbit hole goes. Potentially, there is still the chance that you lose your weapon forever, however unlikely that may be. Either way, good logic has to be utilized and you're certainly not using it in your analysis of my claims. Just because you poked a lion 50 times and it didn't bite you doesn't mean that it won't ever bite you, nor can you ever definitely prove that the bite will ever happen. This is basic formal logic/set theory.

[meep]

Goodness gracious
Skip all of youz technical bullshit
Replace with common sense

Watch your weapon durability
Keep multiple weapons, you can switch out at any time

THE END

Now calm your goddamn raging boners lol

[Deathy]

Goodness gracious
Skip all of youz technical bullshit
Replace with common sense

Watch your weapon durability
Keep multiple weapons, you can switch out at any time

THE END

Now calm your goddamn raging boners lol

I not raging at all , I just got tired of people using it as excuses and some thing have change like Maga use to be non-drop item, and then rhythm told me around point they did start to drop, so that made me question some of my old notes.

Also the person is person think it hard to provide some evidence, when there plenty of time before new content, and if they have good weapon , they can make spare weapon to test, while they solo grind, do daily challenges w/ bosses at the War God. Much like a person said that weapon will miss once hit zero, when I clearly have a video of that proving wrong, and they can still hit.

Then they wanted to use the Logic formal which was require an theory to test, then to find out the possible out comes (which I labeled) then to repeat the test until something to Rival the data, until it data can be proven wrong, then the Logic form grants it as logical statement/data.

Heck some thing in the past have been re-done cause after all the years, someone found flaw within the formals and found something to correct it/make it better with new and better data. Like the oldest/more famous is the world was thought to be Flat, until one person went an sail around , to then realize the world is not flat, but round.


So until they can provide any solid evidence that item can have what they claim to have happen to them , when it could honestly them remembering it wrong, and had bad repair or fail at smelting, it wouldn't be to hard.

They wish to criticize me, and my data I been doing, they want to mock my intelligence then they are the one in the wrong, and should maybe take contributing some valid data rather then just word.

The reason Siennan's Damage analysis can be recreated , to support it data/make it into fact, the Fact everyone can test what Rhythm grind spot, and see if they like it/see it for their self. Mean it goes into fact, until someone show it wrong, they would ask them to provide some sort chart/time they did to see if it wrong.


Example : If someone said Byka hell was bad grind spot, you then ask them what their class, stats and what they use, along with time. Now let say the person say it took them 25 min's on Hell, well then they be ask to do it within time frame for it to be exp/hour = outcome , so 10k exp within 5 mins, done every 1 hour then would be then 100k exp an hour, and then the person early run 25 mins with 10k exp is only 40k exp , meaning they are just not fast enough to clear for it to be an effective grind for them.


I don't get why they can't do a simple thing can provide something so simple that should be able to be recreated. Heck I am soloing dungeons trying get the crused Blood, and I just go at it til my weapon are all empty at zero durability. and runnin it non stop, mean I am suppose to have this "problem" they spoke of already, I run around 30-40 runs using all my staffs, and that around 100 staff's, so in theory I am poking the "Lion" cage repeat after repeat, this mean it should be bound to happen? and I am doing it at a pace, where it should provoke the system to say " You shouldn't let your item hit 0 durability! and we let you do this now 1,000+ time" so in the theory It should have been done as of already, and I am willing to change my statement once it happen or some evidence of it happening.

it need an before/after to show it durability did drop or the text saying the Item has be destroy, like it does in smelting. But as long they aren't even attempting to prove any form proof or attempt to show me wrong, as well it would also then help the community to not cry and do nothing in dungeon cause they don't want there item to hit zero, cause they fear this "break" myth, or max durability lost, when in reality I just increase your chance getting a Bad Repair I notice when you try to repair at 0 durability, and in this case , They can/community could take this into and make their durability 2k, and then if this is true, then it make people get more repair , and do this method for longer grinds, longer dungeons and make an market that aid to this type feature. If the weapon was + 50 , good stats, amazing skill and 2k durability for asking price of 40 C, then someone would love that for it last longer and help them grind , or whatever then an 1k durability item does (most 1k durability can do 3-4 dungeons using 1 weapon up completely/25% if switched around a lot), so this would help the community if this I been also testing if it work out.

While I am doing my own thing, and top it off get data, they make dungeons sound so hard/impossible to just have program record as they play, when the graphic aren't much to use, and hardly affect a good CPU ( I am using only 9 % my cpu while in dungeons and have recording system), and around 30% while I have a Video rendering for my YT partnership event's with the community on there.

So don't say we're raging without seeing I am just giving him all the information in the world he asked for proof, but throw nothing back at my way.

[meep]

The way I see it, this thread needs less arguments, less speculation and more of actual results Make a new thread when you have all the evidence to prove your theory, cause this thread just smells bad

[Deathy]

The way I see it, this thread needs less arguments, less speculation and more of actual results Make a new thread when you have all the evidence to prove your theory, cause this thread just smells bad

Well It hard to make a thread with evidence if there no proof of me getting any bad results, thus this thread would be best as it is, and people can read on how I been providing everything I can give.

And I am still attempting even though I think it wont break now, but I keep recording small bits when 4 about to break, check durability and ect.... And this will never be done cause as long nothing happen I can't say 100% sure, but say I been runnin it now xxxx amount of times and xxxx amount of time been no break/durability lost.

So even if I ran my 1000+ times, to 100,000 to 500,000 to 1,000,000+ they will still claim it luck without anyone else even attempting but me. which why I ask them to do it themselves and post the result, it not as hard as they claim.and there is many thing out there can record/livestream/cloud storage for them, without even using space on the computer.

And I had some message me and ect over this, and are scare cause people like him saying it still, but have nothing to back it up.


Sure Anyone can say something , can most would believe it and then not do it , cause said to have an Risk (like this). Then there people like me who will always question everything and everything without an valid statement/proof to something. Or compare notes if something was to be abit different in theory and revalue the 2 notes for more knowledge for more effective answer.


I assume you understand What I mean?

[Rufei]

Then they wanted to use the Logic formal which was require an theory to test, then to find out the possible out comes (which I labeled) then to repeat the test until something to Rival the data, until it data can be proven wrong, then the Logic form grants it as logical statement/data.

Heck some thing in the past have been re-done cause after all the years, someone found flaw within the formals and found something to correct it/make it better with new and better data. Like the oldest/more famous is the world was thought to be Flat, until one person went an sail around , to then realize the world is not flat, but round.

Not only is it hilarious that you bring up something that was patently false (even in the classical age most people believed the world was round), you also still are asserting your conclusion as fact rather than conjecture.

They wish to criticize me, and my data I been doing, they want to mock my intelligence then they are the one in the wrong, and should maybe take contributing some valid data rather then just word.

So until they can provide any solid evidence that item can have what they claim to have happen to them , when it could honestly them remembering it wrong, and had bad repair or fail at smelting, it wouldn't be to hard.

I will reiterate, once again, that I use repair fairies on every spear repair (when the spear in question is something I want to keep). Given that this happened on my best spear, I am pretty sure you're pulling this rationale out of your ass.

From the start, you're the one who's been dismissing me, saying that I must've remembered it incorrectly, and when I defend myself apparently now I'm mocking your intelligence. Sure thing.

The reason Siennan's Damage analysis can be recreated , to support it data/make it into fact, the Fact everyone can test what Rhythm grind spot, and see if they like it/see it for their self. Mean it goes into fact, until someone show it wrong, they would ask them to provide some sort chart/time they did to see if it wrong.

...snip.

Recreation is especially an issue if the chance of durability loss on break is low, or if staves function differently than spears, or if the chance is much higher when weapon break occurs after a high dura loss ability is used (in my case, Water Dragon Spear VI). Your data points, as useful as they are, don't disprove mine, because you haven't done anything to actually recreate the situation. My assertion from the get-go was "durability loss can happen on weapon break" and you are adamant about denying this. If you're going to start using scientific peer review as a basis for your argument, you're going to have to control for all the variables that are screwing with your conclusion. Have you considered hidden variables? Collapsing Blade's durability consumption and the Weapon Wastage stat can potentially contribute to the behavior we see. Perhaps hitting bosses makes it worse. And of course, Yoshitsune's level may have some consequence as well!

Again, logically speaking, your assertion is nearly impossible to prove. Anyone who understands set theory can readily see how absurd your claim is and how untenable your proof is. This isn't to say that anyone is dismissing your data, it's that the conclusion cannot be supported based on the logic you're using.

Oh and a note, I sold some of my now deprecated weapons yesterday. They were at 1250 max durability, because the Great Success repair really doesn't happen that often, nor do failed repairs actually convert to Great Successes. Or are you going to question this on grounds that I must be dreaming up these values?

[Deathy]

Oh and a note, I sold some of my now deprecated weapons yesterday. They were at 1250 max durability, because the Great Success repair really doesn't happen that often, nor do failed repairs actually convert to Great Successes. Or are you going to question this on grounds that I must be dreaming up these values?

Well you just shot yourself in face with your own word right here.

Here let me put it so bluntly for you sense you are clearly unable to keep your mind and words.


You said you use Repair fairy all the time Converting Fail into successes should be put into place. Let read what it CLEARLY say on the Repair fairy.




So let see...... if you have a Bad repair, it turns into Great Repairs, increasing the Max durability. and You said ...

I always use Repair Fairies on every single one of my spears (that is kept in any fashion).

Always mean you would never see a Fail repair even if you used repair fairy all the time. So You just prove you Don't have fact straight and you don't always have repair fairy as you claimed.


So again Provide Proof of weapon breaking, I have made a Acc to test Bow, and Twin sword (Pure Dex made it to Koyto)- They haven't lost Durability, I have have a Pure Power as of right now about to get in Izumo and he using Axe,Odachi and Katana/Sword.

They have not lost any durability Also. and I feel a bit insulted with how you don't read anything I say. You are honestly starting to just be a troll with all talk and no action, you have no proof only claim you have had it happen , yet can't take the time to have spare weapon to prove ? It shouldn't be as hard to lower durability considering you can carry 5 man's right? So what really your leverage of giving me anything other the factor it has possibility cause you claim it happen? So all I can do it put it as much odd I can put in it? so then it say "yes a weapon break" just to make you happy - when I have been Doing this for now almost 3-4 days sense the Original post, and All you been is talking down at me, showing nothing and claim I am wrong when You don't give anything to prove it wrong.

Not to mention your word now contradicted - so you just turn yourself into honestly an Lair of always using repair fairy always as your original statement. So you shouldn't have any "failed repairs " in your math cause the Repair Fairy turn it into more durability. So your Value are very wrong the fact you are putting something into an mathematical equations examples. and Having an higher Yoshitsune would increase the chances of it happening by her level should be high as your at endgame, right? So you would have the result be Repair Fair %/Great %/Good (normal) Repairs - then add in the RGN + Yoshi's bonuses into all that, you should be getting it an Decent amount of max Durability increase within every 20 + repairs.

So congrats you just proven you can't keep word in proper sense with previous words and can't provide any valid proof or really help the community as much as you "want to" with grinding spots and helping the Wiki while using Crappier spears and level up other skill that aren't even max cause you use the Same skill in all grind dungeons........ So Logically speaking you are now out of any back up/ no proof and nothing to verify your words now being completely out of the junk bin, cause "you" can't do something simple as getting Data, for the community and wiki , and being an top player? that funny there no Score Broad on this game, so there really no top players, only how you compare yourself with others.


Anything you say talking down without any proof Will be seen as troll from this point forth, Don't post anything about me being wrong without any evidence as you can't keep story straight, and your Logic is fallen off from being respectful to just an waste of time to talk to , cause you clearly don't have facts at all.

While your at it also Do quest cause I am sure you haven't complete all the quest , cause the Wiki sure is missing a lot of stuff on dungeon mobs and something worth while reading then your debate of nonsense and no facts to give other then so call story, that can be made up by anyone.

Here I am making new character running them though dungeons, doing the quest and side dungeons again, getting weapon just to test all class weapons , and be excused not doing that, when I stated that in messages before I made new character to test an No Yoshi level , which would be apart the testes - to guess what NO MAX DURABILITY LOST.

I have warn you now , provided reason why, and any more post from you will be seen as spam/troll without any proof or Evidence.