Research on mana regeneration - Solved.

[Otonashi]

i actually solved the riddle allready :D the results are posted on the first post on this page and in the first post of the thread :D

i appreciate the help, though :D

How do your results explain the drop in SP recovery per tick here?

With no reduction : 102/1441 = 7.070% <---- 500 SP Recovery
With NE Maga (-10%SP) : 88/1245 = 7.068% <---- 500 SP Recovery

If I understood you correctly, the drop of ~200 Max SP here should decrease the amount per tick by 4, instead of 14 as the results here show.

[Argentum]

because NE magatama drops mind by 10 and max sp by 15% >.>

[Moriya Suwako]

because NE magatama drops mind by 10 and max sp by 15% >.>

Either way, that doesn't change the fact that the only thing affected was my SP pool and not my SP recovery. We already agreed that 500 SP recovery was the cap. In other words, only thing that changed was the SP pool, but that doesn't account for why your values don't add up correctly.

[Elliah]

Seems to work fine :
Taken from first page table
mind - regen
70 - 44
80 - 54
90 - 64
manapool: 1 regen / 50 max mana

With NE :
Given the -10 mind, your character sits at 90 Mind. So 64 regen from that.
Your character has 1245 sp. Which is 24*50 + 45, so 24 sp regen from that.
Total regen = regen from mind + regen from sp pool = 64 + 24 = 88. You claimed to have 88 sp regen/tick.

Boar + NE
It's -10 Mind and - 15 Mind. So total Mind is now 75. You get the 70 mind regen which is 44.
With 1013 sp, it's +20 regen.
Regen total is 44 + 20, matching your value of 64

Boar maga only
85 mind. Tables gives 54 sp regen
1189/50 -> +23 regen
Total regen 54 + 23 = 77. DIfferent than your 80, so not sure what's wrong here.

So far the table worked for me, forgot how much mind I have but I think it's 70 now. That being said, values are based on data provided here, so any wrong values provided can mess up some results. The theory however seem convincing. Now maybe there are other things that can influence this of course . But it's a good start if it works most of the time.

[Argentum]

yeah, most values are based on me doing a restat, but there are a few from other people, especially the 100+ seems odd since the increase was only +9 from the last value but before that it was +10

i dont think its so bad, though. in time we will get more values


as for other factors: there may be some others that influence the regen but i didnt notice anything else doing anything to the regen but i had a fairly small sample size to work with :/

[Moriya Suwako]

Hmm, what about wisdom then? Does wisdom have no effect in this?
My wisdom level is also very high, and do not forget that boar magatama also lowers wisdom as well as mind. If i do recall correctly, wisdom also does affect SP recovery.. at least stat-wise. I don't think it's something that can be completely omitted out of this.

[Elliah]

Well that's precisely the initial intent of the topic : determine what really affects sp/tick. And so far, everything points out at wisdom having no effect. If you look at the topic from the start, at first wisdom is collected but you then realize that no matter how high it is, people with close mind value also have close regen.

There is more than 100 wisdom of difference between two of my characters, both having the same mind (well not anymore), and taking out the max sp part they have the same regen. The max sp part is really confirmed for me (the +1sp/50 max mana). So yes it's shocking, but wisdom doesn't have any effect on the regen/tick. It might have on either sp charging through shift or through auto attacks, we will need to test it one day.

The formula works fine for most values, I think only the 80 mind and 100 mind need more checking so that's really a great job from Argentum. Thanks for that since I'm at it .

[Argentum]

i reconfirmed the 80 mind sp regen values, they are correct.
id like you to recheck your manaregen with said magatamas. either you may have read something wrong or you found something i need to look into. either way we need to clear this up because i would dislike having missed something. looking forward to your help on the matter

and yes, i did not see any use of wisdom for SP regen aside from it raising your maximum SP (at a bad rate)

[Otonashi]

because NE magatama drops mind by 10 and max sp by 15% >.>

Ah, I see.

My SP Recovery per tick checks out as well, with
80 per tick with 86 Mnd, 1306 Max SP, 54 + 26 = 80
69 per tick with 74 Mnd, 1258 Max SP, 44 + 25 = 69
55 per tick with 62 Mnd, 954 Max SP, 36 + 19 = 55
48 per tick with 50 Mnd, 915 Max SP, 30 + 18 = 48

[Moriya Suwako]

i reconfirmed the 80 mind sp regen values, they are correct.
id like you to recheck your manaregen with said magatamas. either you may have read something wrong or you found something i need to look into. either way we need to clear this up because i would dislike having missed something. looking forward to your help on the matter

and yes, i did not see any use of wisdom for SP regen aside from it raising your maximum SP (at a bad rate)

Unfortunately, i have levelled and i don't think i can test the exact values again.
However, I'll add some more data to check for inconsistencies:
With boar magatama:
MIND: 80+15
WIS (just in case? idk): 91+8
SP pool: 1165
SP per tic: 87 (1027 ---> 1114)


So 23+64 = 87 which is consistent.
I might have miscalculated the boar magatama one above then. In any case, it seems that what was said on the OP is actually on the spot. I'm more amazed as to how you even got that far haha. Well played.


and uh, for an update here:
at mind 107 (80+27), the recovery is 102/tic.
Currently at 1423 SP pool. 1423/50 rounds to 28. 102-28=74.
Double checked it with another Fated Contractor which caps my SP pool at 1539 for insurance (approximately 100+ which means 2 more SP)
and as i thought it is 104SP/per tic which remains consistent with the one above.

I'll keep adding more data the more mind I put.


EDIT: I got a few magatama that increased my total mind to 112. At 1400~SP pool, it still recovered for 102 which means that even at 110 mind, which means it's probably safe to assume that 100 mind is the hard cap for SP recovery as well.