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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby KiraYuuichi » 01 Oct 2014, 20:43

First of all, the skill force on the skill is misleading. The reason behind this is that it scales exceptionally well with level, and a maxed rolling thunder 7 has triple the sf that it does at level 1.

Secondly, the skill force of that skill corresponds to the damage per tick, and, as each rank gains an additional tick, that implies that each rank scales up incredibly, with 7 ticks of 2xx skill force at max level at rank 7.

The range also grows with each tick, so yeah. But in the first place, that's not even an issue when you use it in combination with tidal wave. By that, I mean you can use rolling thunder inside of tidal wave's animation, and basically wipe anything inside instantly, assuming that the monsters you're fighting don't use projectile attacks. (Don't use rolling thunder against mobs with projectiles.)


Note that its only good at high levels and high ranks.


So... given a Level 108+ Spear player has +100 +Omen Doom+, with Water Dragon Spear and Ice Blossom maxed, if given that the player can afford to add any Ougi skill at all to the 2 Ougi slots, should Devastation Slash or Rolling Thunder fill the remaining 3rd skill spot?
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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby SupremeTentacle » 02 Oct 2014, 00:52

Normally, you'd be better off with another high ranking WDS or IB.

Satan weapons give lightning, so rolling is a good filler. Deva is more for people who want to chain smoothly instead of damage output.

In general, you also do not want to put tidal wave on a satan spear, as it comes with a lightning ougi - and you can slap another lightning ougi on it to emphasize the lightning damage.

But in the end, its up to you.
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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby KiraYuuichi » 02 Oct 2014, 05:20

So, Omen Doom is a weapon that contradicts itself in a way, huh. If I were to go full Thunder by adding Rolling Thunder and scrapping the Devastation Slash on an Omen Doom (and making me unable to "chain smoothly" as well), I wonder if I can afford to make mistakes with these stats:

[Reliable]
Pow: 80
Vit: 98
Wis: 10
Mnd: 85
Dex: 42
(Note this build is around the same level requirement as Omen Doom, 108)

After all, pure damage output for an Omen Doom depends on whether I can afford to make mistakes. Any fragile kiting build would prefer Devastation Slash. However, I'll need a judgement call on whether the build I listed above counts as "able to afford screwing up".
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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby Firon » 02 Oct 2014, 06:23

KiraYuuichi wrote:I wonder if I can afford to make mistakes with these stats:

[Reliable]
Pow: 80
Vit: 98
Wis: 10
Mnd: 85
Dex: 42
(Note this build is around the same level requirement as Omen Doom, 108)


I would assume that this would be more dependent on your magatama choice and ornaments (as well as your max hp)
but... I'm still far away from 100 ;~;
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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby KiraYuuichi » 02 Oct 2014, 06:36

Firon wrote:
KiraYuuichi wrote:I wonder if I can afford to make mistakes with these stats:

[Reliable]
Pow: 80
Vit: 98
Wis: 10
Mnd: 85
Dex: 42
(Note this build is around the same level requirement as Omen Doom, 108)


I would assume that this would be more dependent on your magatama choice and ornaments (as well as your max hp)
but... I'm still far away from 100 ;~;


Hm... My choice of Magatama is always aiming for those that raise HP, Skill Force, Spear Affinity, and Vitality. I only ever stop using it when I farm Yakumo, in which case I go 4 Kanmon Magatamas.
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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby SupremeTentacle » 02 Oct 2014, 11:09

Needs more dex; get 100 total dex for maximum cooldown and critical force.

If you have titles, you also don't need n early that much vit.
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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby Tihealy » 02 Oct 2014, 12:11

Bow - Lightning Flash Shot > Rainbow Peacock .. just saying >.>
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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby Annette » 02 Oct 2014, 16:28

Tihealy wrote:Bow - Lightning Flash Shot > Rainbow Peacock .. just saying >.>

It's situational. Lightning Flash Shot will completely decimate any mobs of enemies that can be coaxed into chasing you single-file but the area of effect is so narrow that sometimes you want the spread Rainbow Peacock provides. Not everything likes to cooperate and politely line up to be slaughtered.
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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby Firon » 03 Oct 2014, 00:47

KiraYuuichi wrote:
Firon wrote:
KiraYuuichi wrote:I wonder if I can afford to make mistakes with these stats:

[Reliable]
Pow: 80
Vit: 98
Wis: 10
Mnd: 85
Dex: 42
(Note this build is around the same level requirement as Omen Doom, 108)


I would assume that this would be more dependent on your magatama choice and ornaments (as well as your max hp)
but... I'm still far away from 100 ;~;


Hm... My choice of Magatama is always aiming for those that raise HP, Skill Force, Spear Affinity, and Vitality. I only ever stop using it when I farm Yakumo, in which case I go 4 Kanmon Magatamas.


SupremeTentacle wrote:Needs more dex; get 100 total dex for maximum cooldown and critical force.

If you have titles, you also don't need n early that much vit.


I have to admit, this is what I thought at first, but I'm assuming that the question is whether rolling thunder is usable without chian or hp regenerating ornaments. I also suspect your stat selection is also more to do with the hp than the spear aff (but this isn't about stat selection :/).
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Re: Best Skills for Each Weapon

Postby KiraYuuichi » 03 Oct 2014, 20:10

You know a Level 110 JP Spear player gave me that build, right? I just wanted to know what skill on the 3rd skill slot of an Omen of Doom could cope with its attributes and Ougi skill. One simple question got segway'd into a discussion about stats. How'd that happen.
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