This...is just sad.

[Nizuto]

I'm not gonna quote each and every person to a personalized message, however I will make a general response:

@ people who are against leeching
keep up the complaints, bring new ideas, give some feedback to Cyberstep and refuse to carry people. Hopefully we'll all contribute at making the game the way it should be.

@ people who are approving leeching OR they simply don't care about leechers
I don't care what other people do unless they affect me, directly or indirectly, in a negative manner. In this case it's indirectly.
I don't want Cyberstep to make 1000x exp boost items, 10 tiers of clothing at nyankoropon at a time with 0 ougis and/or being able to buy lvl 100+ characters. Because that's not an Action MMORPG. That's a Social MMO with RPG elements.

Leeching, carrying and chatting like a retard in Rift with emotes like "o3o" are stuff that shows Cyberstep that the mainstream wants easy leveling with lots of fashion items. That is what ruins the initial concept of this game. And I'm against these change for obvious reasons (SPOILER ALERT: I like playing games the way they are meant to).

@ everybody
These social-oriented people shouldn't even be here. They plague the gaming industry in every multiplayer game. There are other "games" or online social environments that fulfill their needs.

[ametemaru]

they need to understand that MMO requires you to grind if you wish to become someone who can carry others and/or hold their own weight. Too many people expect to become strong and not put any effort at all.

The first is to obviously solo the dungeon and suffer the large exp loss.

Like I said in my post, my problem isn't with the amount of effort needed in order to grind solo. That is a clear option to me and I have spent the majority, if not all of my time leveling in this way. The problem I have is the lost experience of running the dungeons with a party in a way that is challenging and in my opinion much more fun than simply doing it alone. It is an MMO after all.

Thing is, you need to understand that there's a big difference between someone who supports in a party and someone who leeches.

I play MMO games such as this one with the expectation that I can be involved in a party and feel like I have a specific role to play.

I understand that difference clearly. No where in my post did I make the connection from leeches to support roles. on the contrary, I stated in my post that I prefer a team that each has a specific role to play, i.e. support, tank, ect.

because they fail to actually grind the game, they end up becoming leechers who just complain about the community 24/7. That's kinda the reality of this game atm.

I stand by how i feel about the effect of leechers and I strongly believe the game would be a much more enjoyable experience without them.

I couldn't agree with you more here. It is a sad reality that I would much rather see change than worsen.

I apologize if I didn't make my point of view clear enough; I am not in any way concerned with how difficult the game is for a solo player. I simply would like to enjoy what I truly believe to be the core of every action MMO experience, and that is running dungeons with a party the way it was intended.

[Argentum]

this is MMORPG u know what is it mean ? its mean u free to play how u feel like it.

that is not the case in most mmos. (i would have written "all mmos", but that would propably be a lie)

[Q6int]

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[SupremeTentacle]

this is MMORPG u know what is it mean ? its mean u free to play how u feel like it.

that is not the case in most mmos. (i would have written "all mmos", but that would propably be a lie)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_game#Psychology

The link that you've posted literally does nothing to support your argument. Since people don't like to read chunks and paragraphs, I've summarized it below, one point per paragraph (ish).
- MMO's are subject to psychological study and allow expansion of a player's emotional range.
- Many players spend a significant amount of time not actually playing, but doing something related to the game
- Many people feel strong emotions in MMO's.
- 21% of gamers prefer socializing online rather than offline
- 57% of people have had trap chars
- More addicted = higher avatar identification as opposed to self-concept
- There's been a huge survey amoungst mmo players to help w/ research with regards to them.
- WoW had a significant bug that psycologists were interested in.

You see that? You've literally contributed NOTHING AT ALL to your point. Don't just link a random page that seems related, and assume that people will agree with you because everyone is too lazy to read it. If someone does read it, it just makes you seem like you have a few screws loose.

And in the first point, you're wrong. You can't play an MMO however you like it. There's metas, different communities, etc. You'll always be restricted by the limits of a build, etc, as well as the way in which you interact with different groups within a community.

Unless you happen to belong in one of the predefined types that do work, you won't get exactly what you want.


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The leeching argument.

Although its sad to admit, carrying is most efficient with leechers due to the exp intake speed. Carries WILL take people with them. However, this doesn't stop several moderately leveled people from forming a party and clearing as a group. These people instead, continue to leech despite the inferior levels of efficiency. Hell, I did this when edo just came out. Grabbed a few friends, then proceeded to do dungeons.

Field grind? Hell no, never. Not even if I only needed 5k exp to level.

Of course, this is due to the mentality that they've had the whole time, where they assumed that level was the only required aspect, when in fact, it's probably one of the least important things.

Imo, it's partially our fault for spoiling them like this, so at this point, we can only encourage them along through some tough love (denial).

Unless of course, they're genuine support mains, in which case it's actually justified. (That said, these should only appear in earlier content caps, as they should be able to carry before they hit the triple digits)


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Nizuto

I'm also quite sick of rift goers. Been ignoring them since like, day 1, and had a certain group of autistic kids go around spreading rumors about me. Totally great eh?

Unfortunately, we have to accept them as a part of an mmo. People will log in for different purposes. Some actually enjoy the gameplay, while others just happened to move in with a group of friends, find similar people, and then just log in to hang out.

It's just a part of the mmo experience.

[Q6int]

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[SupremeTentacle]

[AtmaMoogle]

well tell the truth, i didn't read it myself too! knowing the manner of what u call it lazy ppl .LMAO !
in this case i'm fine with being an stupid.LAMO !

Just what? How the fuck are you gonna link something(From Wikipedia no less) for the sake of your argument and not fucking read it?


Back on topic cause it clearly got derailed by an autist, I personally don't care about leechers.
But when you get people who expect you to carry cause "You needed help to when you were my level" or "High levels need to help lower levels". No. Just no. Why was I ever obligated to help anyone, ESPECIALLY, when you can do it yourself. It's also funny when I open up a party banner " LF Invig 41+" and the highest I get is a 33.

Continuing on the topic of leeching, it's also a good laugh when you get people like "I need to get XX level so I can carry this!". 9/10 times persons gonna get rekt because they leeched 10-100 or 10-106 or whatever it is. They made it seem like leeching is the only way to get to XX level.

It's gonna be pretty humorous when the only carries left in pip3 hit cap then we get an influx of people who can't do shit ^^

[Q6int]

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[Dark Deceiver]

I would recommend you post that entire conversation,

That is the entire conversation. She was sitting around, begging for everyone to carry her, and everyone joined other parties.

For those who don't care about carrying, carrying low levels through the story is going to hurt them in the long run. They get weak because of it, they get lazy because of it, and it's not what an MMO is about.

Yes, helping players is a good thing, but there's a difference between helping them, and babying them, to the point where they become so dependent on others that they can't play the game.