Moon King Restoration Petition

[SupremeTentacle]

Hi guys!

Good news: The durability petition got through. We were all able to change Onigiri for the better. Now, let's attempt to do it again, since we know that CS will respond to our demands if enough people support the cause.

For those of you who don't know, moon king was nerfed horribly. It used to give 50 speed for 3 minutes, but now only gives 20 for 1. We deserve better; it shouldn't have been nerfed like this in the first place. Besides, there's even a speed cap too....

Please take a moment of your time and sign the petition below with your in game name.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/reverse-the-nerfs-applied-to-moon-king

Shorter link to share with friends: is.gd/MoonKing

[Leobreaker322]

Consider it done. Will sign once I'm back home ))

[Batora]

Signing right away

[slapnuts]

I've signed it as well C'mon people we need to get more!

[Malculmus]

At least meet us halfway. (or a fair-quarter of the way)

Restoring Moon King to its former glory will be difficult since a harsh 'nerf decision' was decided by Game Masters of Onigiri. One could argue that previously +50 was far too much, as it matched up to Ougi Rapidstorm and combined you were unstoppable. Thus the only way to go about this is to consider offering fair alternatives to the situation, that both Players and GMs can nod their head in approval.

One thing is for sure; Moon King was nerfed far to much and is the only [FREE] speed boosting alternative. [Excluding the speed-buff title]

[Generous]Moon King: +32 Speed/Duration 2:00 -5 Crit Debuff
Or
[Fair]Moon King: +26/Duration: 2:15 -3 Attack Speed Debuff
Or
[Better than nothing]Moon King: Increased Duration: 2:00
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Previously with +50/3:00 you were capable of running circles around enemies and dodging a majority of hits. Moon King allowed you to avoid considering (Ougi Rapidstorm) because of the significant speed-boost provided by MK. The nerf nudged you to spend money, or to earn the premium coin to purchase for (Ougi Rapidstorm) or else you will complete things quite slower than a non-paying player. One thing is for sure... our version of onigiri should have everything that benefits players in fair ways, if the original game designers wished for +50 then id say support.I do not believe we will get a full revert for Moon King, but if you fight for a 'fair buff' that GMs can accept we the players would have better odds at getting it buffed.

Instead of directing someone to sign a petition, you should instead direct them to the onigiri forums, and make a post where it matters most, which is inside this thread.

It needs buffed!

We managed to get the weapon durability buffed up, and so we can get MK buffed up as well!

[SupremeTentacle]

At least meet us halfway. (or a fair-quarter of the way)

Restoring Moon King to its former glory will be difficult since a harsh 'nerf decision' was decided by Game Masters of Onigiri. One could argue that previously +50 was far too much, as it matched up to Ougi Rapidstorm and combined you were unstoppable. Thus the only way to go about this is to consider offering fair alternatives to the situation, that both Players and GMs can nod their head in approval.

One thing is for sure; Moon King was nerfed far to much and is the only [FREE] speed boosting alternative. [Excluding the speed-buff title]

[Generous]Moon King: +32 Speed/Duration 2:00 -5 Crit Debuff
Or
[Fair]Moon King: +26/Duration: 2:15 -3 Attack Speed Debuff
Or
[Better than nothing]Moon King: Increased Duration: 2:00
------------------------------------------------------------------

Previously with +50/3:00 you were capable of running circles around enemies and dodging a majority of hits. Moon King allowed you to avoid considering (Ougi Rapidstorm) because of the significant speed-boost provided by MK. The nerf nudged you to spend money, or to earn the premium coin to purchase for (Ougi Rapidstorm) or else you will complete things quite slower than a non-paying player. One thing is for sure... our version of onigiri should have everything that benefits players in fair ways, if the original game designers wished for +50 then id say support.I do not believe we will get a full revert for Moon King, but if you fight for a 'fair buff' that GMs can accept we the players would have better odds at getting it buffed.



Instead of directing someone to sign a petition, you should instead direct them to the onigiri forums, and make a post where it matters most, which is inside this thread.

It needs buffed!

We managed to get the weapon durability buffed up, and so we can get MK buffed up as well!

.....

There is no reason to attempt to "meet halfway." I believe you're coming into this and attempting to introduce ideas with a lack of prior knowledge.

First of all, the durability nerf was fully reverted, boosting us from 2k to 5k. There was no need to consider a "fair alternative" in that situation, because it was simply restoring things to a fair state. The same applies in this situation. I don't see how players could "nod in approval" when the nerf was utterly unjust in the first place.

First of all, rapid storm provides a default speed buff of 35. This is significantly less than what moon king was, and what it still is in the Japanese server. Rapid storm, however, scales with the player's attack stat, while moon king does not. This used to cause some players on the Japanese server to move extremely quickly, which was indeed somewhat unfair as they could outrun projectiles and approach any monster before it spawned. However, this was when they achieved over 120 movement speed through the use of a specialized speed/sp support, and moon king in their fool's portion cup. However, this is no longer relevant as the speed cap was set to 85 to prevent abuse, meaning that the speed nerf is now utterly pointless.

That said, the maximum obtainable speed does not particularly allow you to run circles around monsters, and it cannot replace rapid storm, as not having both disallows you from achieving max speed. Furthermore, having a free alternative should pretty much be mandatory. It's simply impossible to perform certain actions on base speed, rendering some dungeons extremely hard for free to play players. One example is Hades, whose large ball attack cannot be outrun without one of the two speed buffs.

The duration nerf was also completely pointless. There's literally no reasoning behind it. A "fair buff" is simply bullshit. We deserve to have what players on other servers have. There's no reason to "meet halfway" when players on other servers have no need to do so.

Besides, moon king still takes up one of the player's precious alcohol slots, forcing them to put more consideration into which alcohols they want. Assuming that you run the standard chidori, along with one damage buffing alcohol, the player then must choose between one of the following, assuming they follow the meta:

- Moon King
- Additional Skill Force
- Resolute
- Feast of the Damned

Finally, the text that you have set in red demonstrates that you clearly have not been around here long enough to know what you're talking about in the first place. Posting on the forums does not actually attract attention. One such example was a forum post that had asked avatar item sales to be re-enabled, but it was ignored. This leads to the implication that things posted on the forum don't particularly matter. On the other hand, a prior petition, one to restore the durability cap, has evidently been implemented.

[Malculmus]

At least meet us halfway. (or a fair-quarter of the way)

Restoring Moon King to its former glory will be difficult since a harsh 'nerf decision' was decided by Game Masters of Onigiri. One could argue that previously +50 was far too much, as it matched up to Ougi Rapidstorm and combined you were unstoppable. Thus the only way to go about this is to consider offering fair alternatives to the situation, that both Players and GMs can nod their head in approval.

One thing is for sure; Moon King was nerfed far to much and is the only [FREE] speed boosting alternative. [Excluding the speed-buff title]

[Generous]Moon King: +32 Speed/Duration 2:00 -5 Crit Debuff
Or
[Fair]Moon King: +26/Duration: 2:15 -3 Attack Speed Debuff
Or
[Better than nothing]Moon King: Increased Duration: 2:00
------------------------------------------------------------------

Previously with +50/3:00 you were capable of running circles around enemies and dodging a majority of hits. Moon King allowed you to avoid considering (Ougi Rapidstorm) because of the significant speed-boost provided by MK. The nerf nudged you to spend money, or to earn the premium coin to purchase for (Ougi Rapidstorm) or else you will complete things quite slower than a non-paying player. One thing is for sure... our version of onigiri should have everything that benefits players in fair ways, if the original game designers wished for +50 then id say support.I do not believe we will get a full revert for Moon King, but if you fight for a 'fair buff' that GMs can accept we the players would have better odds at getting it buffed.



Instead of directing someone to sign a petition, you should instead direct them to the onigiri forums, and make a post where it matters most, which is inside this thread.

It needs buffed!

We managed to get the weapon durability buffed up, and so we can get MK buffed up as well!

.....

There is no reason to attempt to "meet halfway." I believe you're coming into this and attempting to introduce ideas with a lack of prior knowledge.

First of all, the durability nerf was fully reverted, boosting us from 2k to 5k. There was no need to consider a "fair alternative" in that situation, because it was simply restoring things to a fair state. The same applies in this situation. I don't see how players could "nod in approval" when the nerf was utterly unjust in the first place.

First of all, rapid storm provides a default speed buff of 35. This is significantly less than what moon king was, and what it still is in the Japanese server. Rapid storm, however, scales with the player's attack stat, while moon king does not. This used to cause some players on the Japanese server to move extremely quickly, which was indeed somewhat unfair as they could outrun projectiles and approach any monster before it spawned. However, this was when they achieved over 120 movement speed through the use of a specialized speed/sp support, and moon king in their fool's portion cup. However, this is no longer relevant as the speed cap was set to 85 to prevent abuse, meaning that the speed nerf is now utterly pointless.

That said, the maximum obtainable speed does not particularly allow you to run circles around monsters, and it cannot replace rapid storm, as not having both disallows you from achieving max speed. Furthermore, having a free alternative should pretty much be mandatory. It's simply impossible to perform certain actions on base speed, rendering some dungeons extremely hard for free to play players. One example is Hades, whose large ball attack cannot be outrun without one of the two speed buffs.

The duration nerf was also completely pointless. There's literally no reasoning behind it. A "fair buff" is simply bullshit. We deserve to have what players on other servers have. There's no reason to "meet halfway" when players on other servers have no need to do so.

Besides, moon king still takes up one of the player's precious alcohol slots, forcing them to put more consideration into which alcohols they want. Assuming that you run the standard chidori, along with one damage buffing alcohol, the player then must choose between one of the following, assuming they follow the meta:

- Moon King
- Additional Skill Force
- Resolute
- Feast of the Damned

Finally, the text that you have set in red demonstrates that you clearly have not been around here long enough to know what you're talking about in the first place. Posting on the forums does not actually attract attention. One such example was a forum post that had asked avatar item sales to be re-enabled, but it was ignored. This leads to the implication that things posted on the forum don't particularly matter. On the other hand, a prior petition, one to restore the durability cap, has evidently been implemented.

I signed up on the forums about an hour before I made my post. Played the game when it first opened it's doors to the public, and have experienced the +50 Moon King in its former glory. Although I left for a year until around the recent anniversary. I saw a couple of recent onigiri staff post on the forums, and assumed the onigiri staff members go through a couple of threads on here (I believe they do). I assumed that the main official forums works like any other forums. Regardless of my alternative ideas that would make any developer nod on the idea of a challence balance, I signed your petition prior to making my post supporting the full restoration of +50 Moon King. But then decided to come on to offer some alternative ideas, that onigiri developers might glance at to offer something that works for both ends. [Player vs Developer]

We may have gotten a full revert on the durability. But do not keep your hopes up high and think the same will happen to Moon King.

Always better for players and developers to work together to offer a fair balance to certain things. If you would've offered an alternative (Full-Revert-Buff/VS/Fair-Buff in your post and petition (which I briefly slammed, because petitions don't work) (Opinion) The change may have already happened by now, but I get the whole going all the way type of thing. TL;DR Headbutting works... sometimes (Didn't work too well for the reenabling of avatar-selling did it?~) Haha. But perhaps with your longtime veteranacy on onigiri, and high forum post count. I won't contest you in this regard and just throw my vote in to support you. Just remember they made these decisions for a reason, fair or not.

Regarding your example about forum threads being ignored, which asked for avatar item sales to be re-enabled which was apparently ignored/denied. It could just be the GM's silently disapproving of the idea, and since they were the one's to decide to disable it for unknown reasons. Everything they do has a reason and one of those reasons is... *Money...Cough* ahem* Outfits are highly sought after in the cash shop and if it were enabled... less demand to obtain those items. nuff said.

Moon King needed to be nerfed (Opinion) but not as badly as it did. Also... Moon King was actually nerfed twice +50 > +26 and eventually to +20. Which sort of tells you quite a bit about the developers stance on things, all of the sudden my alternative suggestions just looked a bit brighter.

Best of luck on your petition!

[SupremeTentacle]

The staff generally avoids posting in threads like these; they only tend to post when welcoming new players. They also often offer generic advice in the help and support topic.

Leaving for a year implies that you were not here for the majority of the game's life span, seeing as how this was the first anniversary.

Headbutting works so long as valid reasoning accompanies it and you are able to convince the other party.

It's more so that percentage wise, the number of people who had appealed for avatar sales being enabled was significantly lower than the amount that appealed for restoration of durability as Onigiri had a higher population back then, hence, making it a less convincing argument. There were also less chances to speak with the staff at that point in time. Furthermore, it's been evidenced that our server has higher rates when it comes to rolling costumes. In fact, our costume rate is approximately double that of the JP server's rate. If C$ wanted money, they most likely would have done the opposite instead.

Sales and tax could potentially cover and even surpass income earned from rolls.

Moon king was never nerfed to 26. That is simply what happens when you put moon king in a fool's portion. It was first completely removed, along with several other alcohols. After people complained about this, it was re-implemented, but in its current nerfed form. Unfortunately, many people settled for the current rendition of the alcohol because most players were new at the time, and very few had enough knowledge to provide a convincing argument of any sort.

Moon king needs about as big of a nerf as monster damage later on in the game. I point you in the direction of my prior argument, which states that speed is only overpowered when at a value that is approximately 1.5 times the current speed cap. There was no counter argument for this, so I will continue to press the point as it is. If you really think that 50 speed alone is overpowered, I suggest that you attempt to run from the frogs that use Kamaitachi in Oushuu. You will die 90% of the time one of those frogs cast that skill, assuming you are playing on higher difficulties. And yes, that 10% chance to survive comes from blocking.

While I agree that everything is done due to some sort of reason, I would like to point out that said reason will not always justify the end. People make mistakes; no one is able to always take everything into consideration when making a decision.

Thank you for the good luck.

Note that I'm not saying your suggestion is something that should not be taken into consideration, I'm merely stating that it is not appropriate when taking the current scenario into consideration. Although this analogy probably sounds absolutely horrible, you're effectively saying that a lynch victim should only be tarred, instead of both tarred and feathered.

[AngelOfAnarchy]

Signed it.